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- AI was used in the creation of this essay for editorial and referencing purposes.

- Views expressed are my own (Liam Baker).

Romeo Stevens's avatar

>Dukkha as Resistance to Uncertainty and Resistance to Updating

Both of these fall under viparinama-dukkha. You note dukkha-dukkha (pain, loss etc) isn't addressed by buddhist training, which is right (we can just train to alleviate their surrounding causes more skillfully). This leaves sankhara-dukkha, which I feel is the most counterintuitive and real payload of buddhist training. The dukkha structurally inherent in fabrication of experience.

Liam Baker's avatar

Hi Romeo, yes - Dukkha within the tradition is of course broader than the '2nd Dart' and I perhaps should have been more explicit around that. For anyone interested in Buddhism specifically, the teachings go much deeper than I have discussed here.

Buddhi Mārga's avatar

Good essay and a brave attempt to integrate Buddhist thought with modern cognitive and medical science.

I have a lot of first hand experience in reducing dukkha with the help of mettā meditation (loving kindness). Specifically, mantra chanting of the famous verse from Karaniya Mettā Sutta, sabbe sattā bhavantu sukhitattā (May all beings be happy!). Infact, I have dedicated my Substack blog for documenting my progress and insights in this mettā practice.

Over the past three years of continuous mantra chanting, I have managed to reduce dukkha to an signifficiant degree. My pain has been decreasing steadily; my reactivity to external events has been brought under control; the grip of lust and anger have decreased. There are other benefits which I have omitted.

Basically, I have been going through a transformation of consciousness, fueled by mettā chanting. Miraculously it worked, in unpredictable ways. My nervous system has been changing. I can't imagine gaining the benefits of Buddhist path without going through a radical personal, internal transformation of mettā-sādhana.

Liam Baker's avatar

Thanks for the feedback Buddhi. I think the bramhivaharas/4 immeasurables are so important and transformative. I am planning to write about them from the predictive processing perspective and started here with compassion/Karuna which may be of interest - metta is coming soon! https://liambaker677130.substack.com/p/the-computational-mechanism-of-compassion?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=6tdtsz

Mike Mellor's avatar

As suffering is inevitable, the key selling points of any successful religion are solace and the promise of eventual escape.

Buddha didn’t know who Maslow was, but he understood the hierarchy of needs well. We spend most of our time satisfying our survival and shelter needs. Once those are met, we turn to our social and self-actualization needs, which take up the rest of our time. Very few reach self-realization, the top of the pyramid. But we could if we skipped the intermediate levels, learning to accept hardship and suffering as healthy and normal. The Stoics go for this in a big way, actively seeking out calamities that they can endure virtuously.

There’s doubt as to whether Fat Buddha was a realistic representation, or if the familiar statuette was a marketing pitch. Join up and say goodbye to starvation and shivering cold. Buddha regarded the eternal cycle of existence as a curse, not a blessing. Life was very hard in his day.

Liam Baker's avatar

There are certainly some similarities with stoicism with the approach to suffering, although some pretty big differences overall too.

Interestingly Maslow in his later years added a layer to the top of his pyramid - 'Self-Transcendence'.

Eckhard Umann's avatar

What percentage of chronically schizophrenic patients receiving Buddhist care remain in their jobs, earn a living, and support their families?

Liam Baker's avatar

Hi Eckhard - this was not an argument for 'Buddhist Care', simply an attempt to understand a human aspect of suffering that all people, those with schizophrenia and without, suffer from and that this element of suffering shouldn't be ignored regardless of what other interventions and support may be required.

Liam Baker's avatar

Well the mechanism is outlined and for a start empirical support. The solutions/implications are multi-dimensional, some existing interventions already target this mechanism the biggest issue I think though is resource - this kind of suffering responds to time, care, compassion etc - healthcare systems I have worked in, de-emphasise this aspect of the work in favour of focussing on 'pathology' - as Eric Cassel said (see quotes in essay) - failing to acknowledge the nature of suffering is problematic for medicine - even harmful.

Eckhard Umann's avatar

Have been working as a psychiatrist in both inpatient and out patient settings since 1978. I asked a specific and pracical question.

Liam Baker's avatar

Sorry, I misunderstood your second comment. There is no answer to your first question as Buddhism isn't a treatment for schizophrenia or really even a form of 'care'. That doesn't mean people with schizophrenia don't suffer in the way I have described or that we can potentially reduce that suffering.

Eckhard Umann's avatar

simply suffering as such… I am still remembering the Bangladesh-concert… Biafra-children… the human condition- something we all so often forget???